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that with ed royce. i think we need to take the fact that america in 2020 will be the leading world energy producer, so let's talk about that being used to be an offset to the russians because their energy is their weapon. if we're looking to make russia a pariah state, that's where the president needs to be talking. >> listen, i think there's a lot to be said for that. as you know i'm more of a clean energy guy but taking that away from russia, their monopoly in energy, is good. but republicans are missing an opportunity to look more bipartisan. >> congressman engel, i think what bothers republicans is how much the president and the administration seems to have empowered putin over the past few years. just to give you a couple of examples. russia controls the northern distribution network which is one of the main access points in afghanistan that our troops rely on to get supplies and food and water. putin controls that. putin is controlling our syria chemical weapons collection deal, which is a farce. putin is undermining our negotiations in iran. have we given him too much power? why ha
is the number one supplier of energy to ukraine is russia. the number one debt is to russia. the president's proposing the american taxpayers send foreign aid to ukraine which will immediately go to russia. which strikes me as putin saying fine he'll be happy to take the taxpayers' money. >> that's nonsense. first of all, congress, by the way, is compared to when you're there, they're never there. they're out all the time, they can't get anything done. he can't authorize any money through the imf unless the congress adopts it. that's what he's trying to say. by the way, if you're talking about, you know, putin was going to lend money to ukraine. he lent them 3 billion which he's not going to get back. if you want to take over ukraine, you're taking over a bankrupt country. the idea that somehow another -- by saying we want to give the money, yeah, i think we ought to help them get out of bankruptcy just like general motors or something. >> but won't that money -- won't a large part of the money go directly to russia? >> no, it won't go to the russians. yanukovych who was their guy, he got
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